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Post by Speedlion on Nov 21, 2014 9:52:43 GMT
As Retro suggested, let's change the direction of this topic to tensions all around the world instead of discussing a hypothetical situation. Whether it be wars, political stuff or spreading diseases, everything like it belongs here.
Original post:
So, really, there's all kindsa things going on in the world like wars and revolutions and, well... lots of violence and fights. Especially the situations in Ukraine/Russia and ISIS in Iraq and Syria is quite worrying...
Say, one of these things turns ugly... and it turns the world really ugly... What do you think would happen to the world? Would nuclear weapons be used or do you think world leaders would be too chicken to use those...
And maybe the most important question: What would you do? Would you enlist in the military?
Another important question: What would happen to the internet?
And maybe more questions I can't think about...
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Post by The Coolness OVERLORD! on Nov 21, 2014 14:22:10 GMT
World War 3 will never happen, because all the major super powers don't want that, because they know it would end the world. China would Nuke, USA would Nuke, Russia would Nuke, everyone who can nuke would nuke. It'd be a mess.
That said, a world ending war isn't impossible
Isis is a mess but they're moderately small religious extremist group, they aren't going to destroy the planet any time soon. They need to be eradicated, but they are not earth ending tier. No worry there
As far as I know, North Korea is the only country even close to making a a world ending war(From now on to be abbreviated by WEW), and that's only because of their alliance with China.
But at least China is backing off from Korea. I think the worst NK can do is Nuke the US Northeast, then get stomped by everybody.
Ukraine and Russia is almost a Civil war and I haven't heard much about that, but the only way that would spiral into World War or WEW is if USA and Russia didn't settle it diplomatically after maybe a brief standoff, which they would both prefer and would probably compromise to, in favor of nuclear holocaust.
However that is what's likely. It's possible USA and Russia don't get to diplomacy. And it's possible Korea has more nuclear power than thought, and it's possible Isis will grow to be a gigantic problem. But as things are now, I'm not worried.
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Post by Speedlion on Nov 21, 2014 18:43:45 GMT
Well, the thing with ISIS is that, while currently small, if it could actually grab power in the Middle East, it won't stop with just Iraq and Syria, since its goal is to unite all of the world under their extremism (I don't think you could call a religion at this point). I must remind you, Middle East is where we get a lot of oil (and where Fwoosh lives. Kuwait has borders with Iraq). Oil is black gold. Everyone cares about that, especially countries that get their oil solely from those states and believe me or not, there's more of those states than you think. Things can go right and wrong in so many directions.
I don't see North Korea as a major concern. I actually pity the people living there. If you don't know what living is like in that country: www.cracked.com/article_21373_5-things-you-learn-growing-up-in-and-escaping-north-korea.html
The whole mess of Ukraine and Russia is bigger than you think. See, this whole mess is basically Putin not wanting to let go of their influence over the many countries that were once behind the iron curtain (that influence is still bigger than you think). The current mess started when Ukraine wanted to join the European Union. However, the government, loyal to Putin, didn't want that, mostly. Only a few pro-EU politicians wanted to. Half of the Ukrainian people want to join the EU, while the others don't. In the end, civil war broke out in Ukraine. At this point, Russia was not visually involved. The pro-EU faction eventually managed to overthrow the current government and that's when the just overthrown president of Ukraine crawled towards Uncle Putin to ask for help... which he got. Russia got involved and invaded (yes, invaded) the Crimean peninsula, which was mostly loyal to Putin anyways. If Ukraine would have joined the EU, the USA would have a great way to legally watch Russia from its own backyard. It was in the news for a bit, until it faded from the news, even though the situation never calmed down...
and then it came back into the news, because a commercial airplane was shot down near the border between Ukraine and Russia. All aboard (298 people) died in the crash. The plane carried 193 Dutch people, so there was an incredible outrage from the Dutch, especially against Russia. Most evidence also points out that a missile system operated by Russian rebels, whom officially have no ties with the Russian government (please take note of the word "officially"), shot it down. Russia obviously blames the Ukrainians.
That's not all... for the first weeks, Russian rebels looted stuff from the crashed plane and seemed to scare investigators away, shooting in the air with guns as threats. Rebels have been seen walking around the wreckage all the time and well... who knows what they may have altered...
The whole thing is, it has still not calmed down and Russia claims they are not involved in the Ukrainian civil war at all, even though it is evident they are. At the G20 summit, just yesterday, Canadian prime minister, while shaking hands with Putin is reported to have said: "I guess I'll shake your hand but I have only one thing to say to you: You need to get out of Ukraine."
Things are steadily getting out of hand and if Ukraine joins the EU, the EU members are forced to take action. Russia is being really dangerous right now and no-one in Western Europe is quite liking it.
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Post by The Coolness OVERLORD! on Nov 21, 2014 20:54:04 GMT
That's the exact reason I'm not scared of Isis. As soon as Isis makes a move worthy of attention, like, 30 militaries are gonna be down on them, and none of them will side with ISIS. I suppose you could call that a World War, but it sounds more like a World curb stomps Isis after they got too big for their britches war. Although I am worried for Fwoosh because her country is so close to where that business is happening. The scary thing about Korea is that their military is a lot like a baby with a hand grenade, no one knows when or if they're gonna pull the pin and who they take with them. Also their alliance with China; Granting them at least some protection from retaliation if they do attack. I feel sorry for the people and everything, but their government is scariest thing I've seen in a while. I was unaware about the situation in Ukraine escalating so much. That sounds like a World War about to happen. If not Cold War II. Neither would be very good. But at the same time I feel like Putin is more of a corrupt politician than a war mongering super villain. I don't know much of him, but I imagine he'll throw in the towel if things escalate much farther. One has to remember Putin lived through the Cold War, he knows what it is like to have the threat of certain destruction looming over him. I imagine that no international influence is worth his life and that of his people's. But I admit that is entirely speculation. To tell the truth, I'm terribly informed on any of this. Perhaps a good direction for this thread would be to become in part an information spreading thread on international tensions? With perhaps some links to the few news sources that are covering the situation listed in the OP? Perhaps a name change to illustrate that as well? As a start to this Idea I'm linking this article from the Guardian: www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/17/putin-claims-west-provoking-russia-new-cold-war-spies-deportedWhether or not this is the direction to be taken I will leave discretion to which to the thread author, you, Speedy. |
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Post by Werekitty119 on Nov 22, 2014 4:21:19 GMT
Well, I'm just gonna come out here for a moment and say that the whole Ukraine thing didn't calm down in NZ media until after the plane got shot down (and even then, it's still being regularly reported on, just once or twice a week instead of every day). The NZ media is making quite a big deal out of the RUSSIAN Seperatists and the RUSSIAN (rebel) Forces, ect. We don't tend to look at the official story if it doesn't match the story playing out. Plus there's been a pretty big influx of Russian kids into our schools and stuff who are very against what Putin is doing to their country- according to them, he wants Russia to regain it's former glory. At all costs, by any means possible.
ISIS is gonna get stomped into submission the second they get a big enough base that they get noticed- there was a pretty recent airstrike on a convoy of their leaders already. If they got to the point that they could honestly threaten the Western world on higher than a person-by-person basis, they'd be living on borrowed time at best.
North Korea is also kind of like a kid with an obsession with making people scared of them. They'll threaten all they like, but if they actually brought out the big guns and attacked someone they liked, the big kids would beat them into the ground.
And while I do care for all of you, crud all's gonna happen to New Zealand unless China and the West both decide they don't want 1/3 of their dairy products and a decent amount of their meats any more, and even THEN they would have to get past Australia to even bomb most of the country.
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Post by Speedlion on Nov 25, 2014 18:00:08 GMT
One should also remember that Putin was part of the Russian Secret Service before he became president (yknow, that Secret Service that was quite cruel). But I do agree Putin isnt quite a warmongering person, just one that doesnt want to lose even more than Russia already has the last decades.
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Post by Werekitty119 on Nov 26, 2014 11:21:19 GMT
One should also remember that Putin was part of the Russian Secret Service before he became president (yknow, that Secret Service that was quite cruel). But I do agree Putin isnt quite a warmongering person, just one that doesnt want to lose even more than Russia already has the last decades. |
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Post by Speedlion on Dec 9, 2014 22:59:55 GMT
One should also remember that Putin was part of the Russian Secret Service before he became president (yknow, that Secret Service that was quite cruel). But I do agree Putin isnt quite a warmongering person, just one that doesnt want to lose even more than Russia already has the last decades.
That aside, while I don't think any world-leader is trigger-happy with atom bombs the size of a medium-sized whale, but when it actually comes to war, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not going to be used. Not initially, of course, but I could see a country resorting to firing atom bombs like a shotgun when it is cornered. Then again, when a world war is going to happen, the world is gonna be Fwoosh's yard, with or without the presence of atom bombs... |
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